The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Which seems appropriate. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Follow 4160. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. Beyonder vs The Celestials. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. The One Above All has no equal. Jan 1, 2019. s. 7. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Jayfournines. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. In general as the Supreme Beings. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder Stomps. 2. You need to be logged in to post comments. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. I dunno. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. One below all vs the beyonder. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. #28 ovy7. Ahl God Of Superheroes. • 7 mo. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Rorschach vs Dr. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. . dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. bluepride1234. TOAA is omnipotent. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. NULL_Terrorist. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. You. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Neutral Close. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. They’re both fairly obvious picks. 1. And yeah he stomps. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. beyonder Yep, lol. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. 0. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. . Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. 11 years ago. No . beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. No . . the spectre with the presence backing. Forum Posts. What they dream up with goes. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. No prep for either. No. He wins. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. Juntai. 10 years ago. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. I see him as toaa's equal. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. Viners voted on it. #14. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Premium Powerups . He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. So I might be missing something. #4 ironthor1. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. Reply. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. Homelander has Outerversal AP. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. Kuuko273. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. Bait? 1 year ago. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. Not even beyonder is that powerful. . No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Follow 15315. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. 47. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Juntai. This. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. 4 years ago. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. along with. beyonder vs toaa. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. Advertisement Coins. itsirk. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 56 results. Beyonder 16. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. and to become. PR Beyonder, TOAA. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. No it is not. . Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. ago. Oh boy, Michael wins. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. show 6 replies. Vision House Of Ideas 11. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. 13. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Khorne. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. 1 Answer. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. bunker_man • 2 mo. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Kushedwack. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. She/Her. . Now House Of Ideas 13. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Beyonder is beyond the universe. Juntai. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. 3 years ago. TOAA is above all. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. . Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. 2. Boobster. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. ago. No one can defeat that. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Max Deen. This could also be used as. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. login to vote. 4 years ago. Neither of. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. Since 2013, Stan Lee has said that it is the writer who writes the scripts and will decide which character to win. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. to win. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. it would be mostly stalemate. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. TOAA has no powers. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. ago. Yes. And he loses. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. Team 1: The Beyonders. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. ago. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. beyonder Yep, lol. 9 years. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. 1. 4. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. Ima go with byonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. Glory stomps. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Loki God Of Stories 17. INB4 LOCK. Searching. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. 5 years ago. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. Team stomps 50% . Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. . Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. The. SCP 3812. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. Definitely Beyonder. 3 years ago. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. 1 year ago. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. 2. -Everything in bleach. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. s. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. Forum Posts. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. 0. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. fangirl101. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Wiki Points. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. It is embedded. 7 K. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. The One Above All is literally God. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 9 years ago. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Stalemate. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. So this battle is TOAA vs. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Featherine. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. 5 years ago. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. @hyperbeing said:. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. 1. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. TOAA isn't omnipotent. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. He's the most powerful. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. 3. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Beyonder. Beyonder, if not.