Staraptor is also not very useful for the Elite Four either as a Pokemon so you can safely remove it from your party without worrying about who should lose out on the Victory Road trainer EXP. I've done a list of all Pokemon that can learn the Gen 5 HMs (using data from Bulbapedia). It learns: Cut, Rock Smash, Strength, Surf (yes). any water type can learn waterfal or surf espacially palkia. Are there any decent HM slaves in the game? Looking for one who can learn Cut and Strength at the least. piledriver85 12 years ago #2. Strength is used by Pokémon to move large boulders to access new areas, find items, or solve puzzles to progress to interesting places. Psyduck's another good one, he can. For my playthrouugh of Alpha sapphire, my heart goes out to Bubblez the azumarill, for surfing, diving waterfalling and digging, and Bananasoar the Tropius, for flying, cutting, being moderately strong and rock smashing. he can learn rock smash, rock climb, strengh,. This was the first generation where I decided to try incorporating the HMs into the party rather than using a slave and it turned out pretty nice, adding some flexibility by having another well developed poke, although some with worthless moves. Hunt legendary Pokemon, breed them and become the best Pokemon Master you can be with the help of our guide! A full walkthrough for all badges and the Pokemon League challenges. Flash is not an HM in HG/SS, I know, but it's still. If I did choose to have an HM slave and replace my flyer I said I would choose gyarados. You don't really need any HMs, other than that first time that you had to cut the tree in the Dream Yard. sandslash. The feature is brought back to life, albeit in a relatively bland way. ago. Five HM Slaves. S. ". ThanksGen 5 actually requires less HM’s than most games right? Like cut is only required for the dream yard, I think you only need to surf a few times, same with strength, and waterfall I believe you need too. I didn't know what a HM slave meant, so I went to ask someone. Who are the good HM Slaves? Rufflet is a good Pokemon to hold Fly, Cut, and Strength. I don't use Hm slaves. and i dont use defog because it is not necessary to use it to complete the game. ago. Swampert (Rock Climb, Strength, Surf and Whirlpool) and Skarmory (Rock Smash, Fly, Cut and Flash) are my HM slaves. Garchomp was a new, albeit forgetful addition to Generation IV. Just wondering what pokemon you guys use as your HM slave. This way I have most situations covered and I made this way before Black/White was announced and I didn't know what new (or restored) HMs would be around. 1. Pokemon FireRed Version. PSN- Queirotacobell GT- Queirotacobell. Useful Posts. But not every HM mule would work. Black White Black 2 White 2: A river dammed by Bibarel will never overflow its banks, which is appreciated by people nearby. I really hope Golduck is in black and white. If none slaves you carry around are going to have these moves you should be looking for 2 pokemon who can learn the remaining 5 to 7 HM's your current game requires and fill. Rufflet's White-exclusive though, so if you have Black, go with whatever the version-exclusive bird is that Black gets. "Until the end. We will live to see another day. For Pokemon X on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Why do we still waste a slot for an HM slave?" - Page 4. My only shiny I have is a shiny bidoof, it must be a sign from the gods. Samurott. Gyarados is a good. Black 2 & White 2; Black & White; HeartGold & SoulSilver; Platinum; Diamond & Pearl; Emerald;. Name. gbchaosmaster. Cut. (Not all of these are HM moves but they are still useful for inside caves!) Give Raichu Flash, Dig, Rock Smash, and Strength. Most HMs aren't good in battle, anyway (except Surf). if you fail to catch a pokemon/a pokemon faints, you man up to it. Tauros is an excellent candidate for TM Slave 1; he learns, Surf, Strength, Whirlpool, Rock Smash, and Rock Climb. I doubt Rock Climb will remain an HM in HgSs, and Fly is a good-enough move in-game to teach to the physical Flying-type on your team, since there's no risk of an in-game trainer switching to a Rock/Steel/Electric-type and setting up. Everywhere else, Strength and Surf simply makes traveling easier. He has Fly, Surf,. Until HM moves are made unnecessary for going through the games their will always be pokemon who will only be caught for the sake of muling the moves we need but dont want to use. The Pokémon can be filtered by ticking the checkboxes. The coolest looking HM Slaves for sure though. These refer to the Wiglett, Toedscool, and Poltchageist lines, whose designs are based on the Diglett, Tentacool, and Sinistea lines, respectively. ago. You can get it in the Pokewalker (Big Forest) in HG/SS. hm-slave. Cheats. Right now I've got Strength and Surf on a Herdier and I have a pidove with fly. I take him with those moves; as well as secret power for the bases, and any water type for the 3 water HMs. Surf and fly are good so I don't care giving it to good Pokemon. First, they always start on Route 37, 38, and 42. You can only get him post game so it's kinda of a waste. I know bellsprout can learn both, but I want two (or three) pokes who can learn the hms so I don't have to worry. Linoone is good. 1st gen, ehhh, forgot, i think oddish/bellsprout for cut/flash and ingame mons for surf/strength. Like in Pokémon Red & Blue, Krabby can learn Cut, Strength, and Surf. Defog was replaced by Whirlpool in the Generation 2. But not. It can also learn Rock Smash, which is still a TM in this generation, but it's very useful. No one has mentioned him but I use Diggersby as my HM SLave and he does work. Cheats. Home; Boards; News; Q&A; Community; Contribute; Games; 3DS;. A decent flyer is Swanna, if you have it or Fletchling. Everyone has photographic memory; some just don't have the film. HM04 Strength Nimbasa City (Top Left Building) HM05 Waterfall Route 18. Dragonit is great, but is difficult to opbtain. I have a braviary that knows fly, strength and cut though. That means it can rock smash, climb, surf, Whirlpool, Waterfall, and strength. That is boring and not fun, even if you can. Hope this helps :D. Tropius HM slave that can learn 5 of the 7 including fly. 2 votes. Well, the 4 main HMs you need to get through the game are. UAC_Knux 14 years ago #3. Six pokemon. There are only a small handful of spots with Cut trees, so you really don't need a Cut slave. 2. If you get good at making excuses, it's difficult to get good at anything else. For Pokemon SoulSilver Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "A good HM slave. You receive the HM surf after defeating Cheren at Twist Mountain. Pokemon Emerald Version. Kool-Aid-Relic 15 years ago #7. Right now with 4 badges I'm rolling with Level 63 Pikachu Level 41 Mew Level 41 Alakazam Level 31 Alakazam Level 13 Clefairy Level 12 Oddish You can probably guess the two non-contributing factors to my team (hint: its not the two Alakazams). This does means you need a flying and water type though. Raikou the Thunder Tiger strikes again. Sometimes BW2. It’s kind of funny that the Box Legendaries are just HM Slaves and further more they are just past and future versions of a bicycle. Not worth all that effort for a HM slave. There are 5 HMs in XY: Cut, Strength, Surf, Fly, and Waterfall. 3. Pokemon Black Version 2. 1 vote. Also, anyone know if I can get a friend code and trade with someone over wi-fi for something that isn't in the Unova Dex. I agree. It needs to be able to learn Cut, Strength, Waterfall, and either Fly or Rock Smash. Pokemon Black: Emboar. Then I used Onix for Rock Smash, Rock Climb, Strength. A Hidden Machine (Japanese: ひでんマシン Secret Machine ), HM for short, is an item that, like a TM, is used to teach a Pokémon a move. yea i meant TM >_> just so used to calling it an HM haha. You'll never have to use stuff like Strength, Cut, Waterfall, or Dive after fully exploring the right areas. Fly is easy enough to allocate to a non-slave Pokémon so that leaves Cut, Strength, Surf, and Waterfall. The names are from an "easter egg" in SWSH that was taken as a hint by many. My Lugia knows Fly (STAB too), and I have a kingler that knows Rock Smash, Strength, Cut, and sometimes whirlpool (Most of the time I just let him know False Swipe). i give like one hm to almost all pokemon but some may have two like water pokemon have surf and waterfall. Use Flash to light up dark caves and use Dig to easily escape caves without using an escape rope!. Pokemon Black Version. Pockets |. Pokemon Black Version; I need an HM slave. Strength inflicts damage and has no secondary effect. HM03 Surf Twist Mountain - From Alder. FE:Fates -. The Pokémon can be filtered by ticking the checkboxes. Gen 2. Bibarel and Tropius. Not worth all that effort for a HM slave. Trait - Blaze. For Pokemon Emerald Version on the Game Boy Advance, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Hm slaves?". Best HM slave kind of depends on what it is you want them to know; Bibarel is probably the best HM slave ever, but not even he can fly. hm slave. formerly known as Neo Vejiita. im gonna use panpour for hm slave (cut waterfall dive) im thinking of adding eelektross . . HM mule. Reviews. But I can give you a list of Pokemon that can learn a good amount of them. Those would be Skarmory and Tropius at level 1. If this is so, you should go with Raticate. since whirlpools aren't that common, if he can learn it, teach. I like having one HM slave to hold my crummy moves and the nicer HMs be passed around between my actual team members, but unfortunately I have found that there would appear to be no good HM slaves in gen. If you want a pokemon from any region: Bibarel - HM Cut - HM Strength - HM Surf - HM Dive - HM Waterfall - TM/HM Rock Smash. Pokemon Black FC: 0604-9904-6016. Swanna gets Fly, Surf, and Dive which is useful for travelling everywhere. Swanna > Fletchling because of Waterfall - again this. Simisage (these two were the only ones I used until the postgame) Metagross. This was a fun spreadsheet to make. Well, considering Pokemon can only learn four moves, you're going to have a tough time finding one that can learn six. This is my favourite HM Slave because it works great in conjunction with almost any water Pokemon. jolly_pickles 14 years ago #4. ) Just about your only option is going to be a Mew. For Pokemon Black Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "I have the most pimpin' HM slave setup this gen. After you listen to him talking to Cheren about the stronger conversation, he will give Cheren a HM03. It's not catchable in ORAS, but you should be able to find a Froakie on the GTS pretty easily. . Cut+Flash+Rock Smash: Paras, Tangela, Bulbasaur, Mew. The nidorans can learn tons, it's amazing really. Having a five pokemon team and an HM slave takes away from the fun and value of a sixth member. ----Boards;Technically the best HM slave is Mew. In the first Gen, Mew is by far the best HM slave for getting about. View source. ago. This is especially true if you’re looking for an alternative to the usuals. But you should be able to catch Bidoof early on. It's finding rate is 7%, but it's worth the effort. For Pokemon Black Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Is there a pokemon (HM SLAVE)". lurkerguy 13 years ago #6. ~Strength. Is there a pokemon that can learn all that and cut? I don't think there is any pokemon which can learn every HM barr Mew/Smeargle (through sketch) Krabby/Kingler can learn all the water HMs, Cut, Rock Smash and Strength. This keeps you from having less move slots to choose from. Theirs always one HM slave. For a field HM slave, try Charizard. Linoone (HG/SS Only) Linoone (and Zigzagoon) continue to reign supreme as the best and most reliable HM slaves in the entire series. - It has a terrible movepool. Cut is not required to complete Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald and their remakes, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, or Pokémon X and Y. 1 Answer. TJ_17_ 10 years ago #8. c_s_tadsen ( Expert ) - 2 years ago - report. However, I usually run a limited item use clause with battle style on "set" so move coverage is more important to. HM06 Dive Undella Town. They both get False Swipe and Spore, a 100% accuracy sleeping move. I'd say a Krabby is a better HM slave than the previously suggested Gyarados or Lapras- those are much better used for fighting and much harder to come by, while Krabby are relatively common in the wild. ~Strength. Since in AS/OR you can use the Eon flute for flying, Linoone is the only HM slave you need in your party unless you need to dive or get up a waterfall. Raella69 12 years ago #3. But it is still a better fighter. ago. Hydreigon,i train him up for so long beforehand just to beat ghetsis that it already become to overleveled. Simisear can also learn cut (temporary HM slave) and you can also teach it dig by TM28 found on route 4 to combat Elesa. Head to the appropriate page from Pokémon games in the menu. ~Whirlpool (in 1 spot. My first choice is Psyduck/Golduck. In Pokemon Black and White, Cut is the only HM move required to complete the main storyline, and even then it does not require frequent use. commented Nov 22,. ManicOwl • 11 yr. These are the locations to get heart scales. I have come to the conclusion that Gyarados is the most optimal HM slave you listed. Pokémon Yellow keeps everything the same. Defog was replaced by Whirlpool in the Generation 2. javel34 12 years ago #2. Y Alpha Sapphire: It makes its nest by damming streams with bark and mud. >Gogoat is a great slave, it can learn Cut, Surf and Strength. For Pokemon HeartGold Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "HM slave". FE:Fates - MyCastle: Birthright ~ Rare Skills. Azumarill can learn the 3 water HMs (Waterfall, Surf, Dive), Rock Smash, and Strength. Bibarel and Tropius. That means it can rock smash, climb, surf, Whirlpool, Waterfall, and strength. It can learn HM 1,3, and 5. Well, here's my team right now (I just finished Pokemon Tower and I'm trying to catch Snorlax): BLASTOISE lv. Makoscientist 14 years ago #6. Nidoran (both male and female) are easy enough to. 2 Answers. Flash is a tm so just put it on someone and then replace it if you want :p. r/pokemon • Introducing Pokémon Glistening Black and Sparkling White! Thanks to your kind comments on my Pokémon 1 and 0 logos I was inspired to mock up logos for (future?) remakes of Black and White (or Black 2 and White 2). Puzzle and Dragons 303941291. Though, strength or rock smash can be excused, might put that on my pikachu just. HM slave is a term used within parts of the fandom to refer to a Pokémon in a Trainer's party that is not used for battling, but to provide navigational support through the use of field moves—generally those taught by Hidden Machine. Pokemon Pearl Version. Dragonite makes a pretty good hm slave. IMO, the best of the series!. Use Flash to light up dark caves and use Dig to easily escape caves without using an escape rope! Hope I. ago by ManicOwl Best HM slave for Black 2? I just started the game, and I really don't wanna stick any on my team with. since whirlpools aren't that common, if he can learn it, teach. 2nd gen i used krabby for surf/cut/strength/whirlpool and tentacool for whirlpool/waterfall/surf (though most waters do this) 3rd gen Tropius, cut/flash/fly/strength (or rock smash) 4th bibarel, easily. #11. Wishcash. But I can give you a list of Pokemon that can learn a good amount of them. An equivalent term used within the Japanese fandom is 秘伝要員 , with 秘伝 being from 秘伝マシン Hidden Machine. My Lugia knows Fly (STAB too), and I have a kingler that knows Rock Smash, Strength, Cut, and sometimes whirlpool (Most of the time I just let him know False Swipe). Here is my suggested team for Ruby/Sapphire -. ive never liked pure hm slaves, i like to have at least 5 usables, if only for type. Nice, thanks for the heads up. one of anime's cutest mascots. UAC_Knux 12 years ago #2. FC - 0044 2787 7360. However, many items and side-quests may require you to use the HMs Strength, Surf, Dive and Waterfall. This is the place for most things Pokémon on Reddit—TV shows, video games, toys, trading. ~ 12514-29694-66068-57372. Hopefully there is someone in this generation who is capable of taking 4 HM moves, and still standing on their own in battle with said moves. For this game Watchog and Swanna have become the slaves, between them all HMs are covered (except Waterfall) also the former HMs rock smash. Or you can use HM Gyarados (Surf, Strength, Whirlpool, Waterfall) and give Cut to a Pokemon with an open moveslot. Too bad it can't learn an HM to make it handsome. AindZs91 13 years ago #2. any water type can learn waterfal or surf espacially palkia. You can only get him post game so it's kinda of a waste. You can get it in the Pokewalker (Big Forest) in HG/SS. To Sharpedos and Linoones everywhere, we say thankyou. In Y, I put Strength on my Snorlax for stab, plus I used Belly Drum, and that allowed me to OHKO every one of the E4's teams except the steel one). Black White Black 2 White 2: A comparison revealed that Bidoof’s front teeth grow at the same rate as Rattata’s. 1st gen, ehhh, forgot, i think oddish/bellsprout for cut/flash and ingame mons for surf/strength. You can only remove it from a move tutor who is located. bluehatdude (Topic Creator) 14 years ago #5. 56. Country. 33 *Lonely* Thunderbolt Sand-Attack Double Kick Quick Attack GRAVELER lv. Walrein. only others i have used are surf, waterfall, and strength for side parts so i'd say just get a water type and teach it dive, surf. I don't remember the exact locations, but it's a linear path anyway, and are. garydose (watefall gives it one of the very few advantages that it can wreck with a HM) dragonite (1 of the 2 pokemon that learn every HM) arceus (a third pokemon that learns all HM's In the 4th gen ) hydrigon. Or did I get the wrong message here?I can only hope the fifth gen will get rid of HMs altogether and just let the pokemon that can do an action do it naturally. Boards. Unlike BW, most HMs in BW2 are required at some point complete the main storyline. For a cave HM slave, use Raichu. hms. Dragonite makes a pretty good hm slave. The only Mon that makes for a better HM slave is Mew, but it's a mythical with limited distribution, so unless you use cheats, you can't get one in any of the games that had HMs. He can learn all HM moves. For those that don't know, an HM Slave is a pokemon that learns HM's like cut that are totally useless. What are the best, easily obtainable HM slaves in this game? xxgamer91xx 11 years ago #2. Other HM slave favorites: Linoone Pelliper Raticate Pidgeot Furret Bibarel Various starter pokemon when I was a newbie at the games (I had cut on my Blaziken until I got a slave, after the 5th gym) Golbat Pikachu (flash) / Plusle / Minun _____Slave is Emile's Paras in Pokémon FireRed. Also, it's worth noting that, instead of boulders, it pushes around rock blocks. Animal Crossing New Leaf FC: 4227-1368-8221. Lillipup is really one of the best early-game Pokemon, in my opinion. For a field HM slave, try Charizard. ago. Wax Larry King: Llamas are nature's greatest warriors. On Smogon's Movedex: (Japanese: ) is a damage-dealing Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, it was the. Many players hate having Hidden Machines on their Pokemon,. Flash is a tm so just put it on someone and then replace it if you want :p. I dont run from fights so having some easy 30pp cut i can knock wild pokes with on someone and not worry about keeping PP on my important moves for trainer fights is my main way to play. creativeme (Topic Creator) 12 years ago #3. I use Rayquaza for Fly so that HM isn't needed in any others. These two terms' meaning is the same. Pokemon Black FC: 0604-9904-6016. HM Fly is useful as it allows you to instantly return to towns you have previously visited. I personally use Dragonite. Dragonite can learn all HM's except flash. Speaking with the chairman to get an. There are only a small handful of spots with Cut trees, so you really don't need a Cut slave. You really don't need a HM slave, just give every Pokemon 1 HM each. Best answer. So that's 5 HM's covered already. Give reasons for why or why not. Zeimma • 9 yr. Guess what Pokémon can learn all of these moves? Of course, in a game like FireRed, where you absolutely need certain HMs to proceed, most people would agree that HM Slaves are really the only way to get through the game in a solo run. So my party is filled but I don't have anyone that can use fly . This keeps you from having less move slots to choose from. But most people wouldn't want to use them for HM slaves! Basculin learns Cut, Surf, Waterfall and Dive. No. For what it's worth, though, Strength is a fairly decent move ingame and there's probably room for it in the set of one of your physical-oriented pokemon. In the trailers, we've seen these Poké Ride Pokémon do things normally done using HMs. Carracosta is a pretty good hm slave, though it doesn't learn fly. Defog. Any helpful advice would be awesome. Mar 6, 2012. Puzzle and Dragons 303941291. Prankman 12 years ago #10. This is when all of the moves are Special before the Physical/ Special split. Accepted Answer. HM01 Cut Striaton City - From Mokomo. Basculin-Surf, Waterfall, Dive. HM's are annoying because if I'm out adventuring and run into a small tree, running back to a pokemon centre, depositing a pokemon I actually like, coming back going past, and then having to do the same with every rock, boulder etc that comes my way is more than annoying, especially because the game could just give me a surfboard, hammer, I. Smeargle = all hms + all tms. In DPPt, that was Bibarel as he can learn most of them, not sure whose best in. Best answer. asked Nov 13, 2014 by VaporeonBlue. Gyarados are always beasts, nuzlocke or not. Well Psyduck is an awesome HM Slave - it learns Surf, Strength, Flash, Whirlpool and Waterfall. Clefable (both in the Giant Chasm) Surf HM Slave (I think it was Basculin) Fly HM Slave (Pidove, I think) Pokemon White (still not finished) P. sandslash. and fog only lowers accuracy. 33 *Serious* Confusion Psychic. u can find tropius in the great marsh wildley and u should use bibarel ( it can learn every hms except for fly and defog). I got lucky enough to get a Tropius through GTS Negotiations for a female Eevee I caught in Castelia City. Bidoof evolves into Bibarel at level 15, making him the most versatile HM slave. Greninja can cover Strength, Rock Smash, Waterfall, Surf, Cut, and Dive. 3 answers 2,146 views. However, why use it as an HM slave, when it can be a part of your team. What is a good non-legendary HM slave? HM Slaves for black/white Hey all, I haven't seen a discussion talking about what pokemon are the best HM slaves for Gen 5. 30 *Naive* Rollout Magnetude Dig Rock Throw KADABRA lv. I wound up just giving Strength to my Darmanitan, and don't bother carrying a Cutter with me. It's after tne first gym, but you can just teach it to a Pokemon (like Patrat) the can be boxed for the rest of the game. Best hm slave. Right now I've got Strength and Surf on a Herdier and I have a pidove with fly. Anyways, there are only 6 HM moves this game. As you infiltrate Team Plasma's castle, you'll eventually reach N, who will summon Reshiram in. 12. hms. I think you can find two rare candies, a miracle seed and a max ether as the only useful items by having cut. Rock Smash, Strength, Surf, Waterfall, and Rock Climb. Grindpower 13 years ago #1. This means that all of the TMs can only be found once within the. Two new moves have also been seen;. Between the third Gym until the first time you must use Surf, you don't need a single HM. Apr 29, 2013. Not like the Red Blue days in which it was pitch black. 37 *Docile* Tackle Water Gun Bubble Bite JOLTEON lv. The only Mon that makes for a better HM slave is Mew, but it's a mythical with limited distribution, so unless you use cheats, you can't get one in any of the games that had HMs. You can only remove it from a move tutor who is located somewhere in the. Bibarel is the easiest to obtain, and it can learn Cut, Surf, Strength, Rock Smash, Waterfall, and Rock Climb. Having those 2 pokemon is enough to navigate through the game. It isn't too often Ash's Pikachu loses a battle, even against the likes of Lucario and Latios, yet this baby Pokémon managed. Psn: firecopy or firecopie. My source shows that a lot of people agree on four good HM users: Bibarel, Skarmory, Tropius, and Rhydon. Waterfall- Needed to get to Victory Road in most games •Dive-Only compulsory in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald •Whirlpool-Pokemon Gold, Silver and Crystal, and HG SS in order to get to Whirlpool. Rock Smash, Strength, Dive, Waterfall, and the fastest Surf in the game. Legendary Pokemon. GP Vs 2016: Second Place Winner PSN: ourtheNGW | Nintendo Switch: SW-1891-6374-1416 Official R. View source. I personally have Gyarados with Surf, Whirlpool, and Waterfall. i used him in emerald by acident. Strength should be fighting type. Let me give you an example (my HeartGold. Dec 10, 10 at 5:00pm (PST) ^. Best answer. he can learn rock smash, rock climb, strengh,. An HM-slave Gyarados would have: -Surf (bit of a waste since it's a special attack, but it has STAB at least) -Waterfall (a pretty powerful physical water attack with STAB) -Dive (used to be a crappy move, but now has 80 power; it's physical and also has STAB) -Strength (decent normal attack with no STAB, but with Gyarados's high attack, would. Since these Pokemon can be called on at any time, it leads me to believe these are replaying HMs. For Pokemon FireRed, there are 7 HMs, I believe. For HM and field-use Moves, I use: --Geodude - Rock Smash, Strength, Rock Climb, Dig. Speaking with the chairman to get an. Tyazinzard 14 years ago #19. a normal type named bidoof. XP. nincada • 11 yr. I'd say a Krabby is a better HM slave than the previously suggested Gyarados or Lapras- those are much better used for fighting and much harder to come by, while Krabby are relatively common in the wild. 1. I'm curious as to everyone's HM slave/transport Pokemon and which moves they have. Hm slaves are basically the Pokemon equivalent of actual pets. IGN: Kyle Member of DEBG. Hidden Machines (HMs) in Red/Blue/Yellow. I also like keeping a staryu/starmie. Best answer. The HMs are mostly the same as in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, with the exception of HM05 which was changed from Defog to Whirlpool. Ludicolo can learn six of them - Surf, Waterfall, Dive, Strength, Flash, and Rock Smash. Best. [OC]As time went by, Mew's moveset became filled up with HM moves, until all it knew was Fly, Surf, Cut, and Strength. If your game has multiple water HMs, then use lapras. I have a girl Swanna who knows Fly, Dive, Surf, and Roost. . I put my steelix an HM slave for cut,rocksmash,rockclimb and strength . Heart Scales are usually hidden, so you may need to use the Dowsing Machine. This is a creative and hilarious. machamp.