Follow 23177. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. . deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. , but, outside of those and omnipotent characters (like TOAA, The Creator), she beats pretty much anyone. 0. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. And matched Mxy at one point. Round 1: No prep time. . Minor nitpick. Manhattan's league. Kuuko273. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 0. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that he. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Reviews: 1. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". 0. #1 quandaledingle. PR Beyonder (Marvel) Takes A DC Gauntlet. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. The art work and what not is horrible. 6,407. Follow 8935. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. Follow 3068. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. New Comics. 8 years ago. 1344. 0. PR Beyonder was implied to be another TOAA from a different multi/macroverse. I’m goin wit Batman. Pokergeist. Posts. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. 0. The Crimson King. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. 15. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. COIE fully powered anti monitor was the entire DC multiverse, his reality warping and. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. 1958325779 • 2 yr. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. Another thing about the. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. Doom. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. User. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. LocatiNew Comics. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. Beyonder easily. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Going with PR Beyonder. Side note: I'm using this version of. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. 12 years ago. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". Wiki Points. 13 years ago. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. Morals off. Follow 334. Victory by permanent death or erasure. PR Beyonder is just as much close to some of TOAA's powers as HOTU Thanos is. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. @laflux said: MOM. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. TR was created by this. 2 years ago. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. The One Above All. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Just no. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Yes. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. Phoenix is on par with those guys. This topic is locked from further discussion. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. is TOAA, or at least part of him. Well, uh. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. 29. 10 years ago. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. First Firmament (Maybe biased)ALTERNATE VERSION: THE AFTERMATH OF SUPERMAN PRIME vs MONARCH: After defeating Monarch & the demise of Universe 51, Superman Prime senses that hisPR Beyonder should have no problem soloing, even if everyone else was in the other team. Wiki Points. Forum Posts. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. TOAA is above all. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. Beyonder escaped. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. @laflux said: MOM. No. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. Forum Posts. He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. MM has the powers of the Beyonders, the Beyonders were still linear beings constrained and restricted by time, they were able to be killed by overwhelming power like Starbrand,. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. -5. Forum Posts. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. 0. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. 0. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. Build Your Own Omnitrix. Nihilist. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. 0. Follow 334. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. 4 years ago. Followers. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. The Presence. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. The one below all (TOBA). -You may take DNA samples from 5 different Alien Races from any fictional media. Beyonder is the bigger god. This is a massive mismatch. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Minor nitpick. This topic is locked from further discussion. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. 0. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. lazerbeak. Could not. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. 6 years ago deactivated. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. The heavy hitters for team marvel are PR beyonder, PR molecule man, post-secret wars III molecule man, living tribunal, multiversal eternity, multiversal death. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. 7. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. K. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Wiki Points. Forums. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. However Lucifer ig is the same. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. Follow 10594. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. -5. 5. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. No, they can't adapt to. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. Forum Posts. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. @majestic99. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. ) as regarding LT, you really must have. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. The Beyonder's, on the other hand, aren't and that's what will give him the win. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. 11,059. Beyonder is the bigger god. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Wiki Points. Ite. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. He is another universe, pre-big bang. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. @Pr_Beyonder: immortal means unable to die of age or sickness Thor isn't coughing on him or waiting around for him to age to death he's smashng his head into chuncks of mushy brain 13 years ago. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. . PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. They might ruffle his soul-glo hair though, which wouldn't end well for them. 13 years ago. PR Beyonder wins. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. One on one, most people would say that PR. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. Best Answer. Followers. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. 11 years ago. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. #12 Edited By Montaq. 2. #1. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. ago. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Jul 30, 2018. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Wiki. 4 years ago. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. #1. " I agree for the most part,the way I see this. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Anime/Manga TeamSuper Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Elder God Demonbane, Giorno Giovanna (Gold Experience Requiem), Majin Dark Schneide. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. 0. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to him. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. Follow 25782. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Doom. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. London, UK. Win by death, KO, incap PR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. ago. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. BEYONDERGOD. Also, what would you rank him as? A. His will is law. Beyonder easily. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. . PR beyonder. 9 years ago. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. No chance of being omnipotent. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. 2 years ago. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. 0. 0. #41 cdavis6149. This is hard to tell. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Well, uh. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. 63 results. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. Wiki Points. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Random encounter. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. Yes: PR beyonder, PR molecule man, toaa, toba, toba. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. 11 years ago. Start off twenty feet away. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. His isn't from another universe. g2_ Follow 14321. RULES:Morals off. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Follow 8649. Oblivion is just another aspect of Death and Beyonder removed her from reality just like he would Oblivion. Follow 75. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. . I think Beyonder wins based on feats. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. When Thor had the Odin Force, all I had really seen him do. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. There are like at least dozens DC. R5: Dr. Forum Posts. 2. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. PRB has a lot of.